# svd(X,"econ") does not work as expected if X is square nxn matrix with rank<n

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Eric on 25 Aug 2022
Commented: Eric on 26 Aug 2022
If X=[1 1;1 1] then with [U,S,V]=svd(X,"econ") I had expected that U=V=[1;1]/sqrt(2) and S=[2].
But "econ" does not work, S=[2 0;0 0] and U=V=[1 1;1 -1]/sqrt(2) (actually matlab gives opposite signs in U, but that does not matter).
What is the trick to make "econ" work in this case, so U is 2x1 and not 2x2 and S is 1x1 and not 2x2?

Steven Lord on 25 Aug 2022
If you want a number of singular values fewer than the maximum number, consider using svds. Though for a tiny problem like this if you're expecting it to be faster than just calling svd the difference is likely to be negligible.
X=[1 1;1 1];
[U, S, V] = svds(X, 1) % Ask for the 1 largest singular value
U = 2×1
-0.7071 -0.7071
S = 2
V = 2×1
-0.7071 -0.7071
Eric on 26 Aug 2022
Thank you very much!

Chunru on 25 Aug 2022
X=[1 1;1 1]
X = 2×2
1 1 1 1
[U,S,V]=svd(X,"econ")
U = 2×2
-0.7071 -0.7071 -0.7071 0.7071
S = 2×2
2.0000 0 0 0.0000
V = 2×2
-0.7071 0.7071 -0.7071 -0.7071
%I had expected that U=V=[1;1]/sqrt(2) and S=[2].
%But "econ" does not work, S=[2 0;0 0] and U=V=[1 1;1 -1]/sqrt(2), except for signs.
You can see svd with "econ" actually works. You expect U=V=[1;1]/sqrt(2) but another solution U=V=-[1;1]/sqrt(2) is actually the same solution (with opposite sign). It is obvious that X=U*S*V'=(-U)*S*(-V)'.
Eric on 25 Aug 2022
What I meant was that Matlab gives S a 2x2 matrix, which is not "econ". S should be 1x1 and U=V 2x1.

Bruno Luong on 25 Aug 2022
Edited: Bruno Luong on 25 Aug 2022
You should read the doc again:
"[___] = svd(A,"econ") produces an economy-size decomposition of A using either of the previous output argument combinations. If A is an m-by-n matrix, then:
• m > n — Only the first n columns of U are computed, and S is n-by-n.
• m = nsvd(A,"econ") is equivalent to svd(A).
• m < n — Only the first m columns of V are computed, and S is m-by-m.
"
The "econ" option truncates the output when the matrix is not square based on matrix size. It does not do any truncation based on rank.
If you want to truncate on rank you can do it as post ptocessing step
r = rank(X); % r = find(diag(S)>=S(1,1)*eps,1,'last')
U = U(:,r);
S = S(1:r,1:r);
V = V(:,1:r);
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Bruno Luong on 25 Aug 2022
Edited: Bruno Luong on 25 Aug 2022
You said "does not work as expected". You expect something that the doc NEVER claim to return.
So you did not read careful the doc.
Now back the question "why": Because the notion of numerical "rank" can vary, and possibly there is no universal truncation suitable for all application downstream. But I agree that it would be nice to have an adjustable option to truncate less than min(size(A)).

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