solving an equation with a condition
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Mohamed Asaad
el 6 de Dic. de 2020
Comentada: Walter Roberson
el 7 de Dic. de 2020
Is there any way to find a value to z that makes the solution of this equation consisting of only negative real numbers or negative real numbers with imaginary numbers?
x^4+z*x^2+z*x+50=0
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Walter Roberson
el 7 de Dic. de 2020
syms X Z
eqn = X^4+Z*X^2+Z*X+50==0
syms X_r X_i Z_r Z_i real
assume(X_r < 0 & Z_r < 0)
eqn2 = subs(eqn, [X, Z], [X_r+1i*X_i, Z_r+1i*Z_i])
sol = solve(eqn2, [X_r, X_i, Z_r, Z_i], 'returnconditions', true, 'MaxDegree', 4)
Xsol = sol.X_r + 1i*sol.X_i
So the x are all different, but follow a typical pattern for roots of a polynomial of degree 4.
Important note for this Xsol and the Zsol: the any x, y, z you see in the outputs are not the x and z of the original question. The x and z of the original question were written into the problem in terms of X and Z (complex valued, capitalized) and X_i X_r Z_i Z_r (capitalized, individual real or imaginary components of their corresponding complex variables.)
Any x, y, z (lower-case) you see in the solutions are auxillary variables generated by MATLAB to help express the solutions.
Zsol = sol.Z_r + 1i*sol.Z_i
Meanwhile the Z are all the same.
sc = simplify(sol.conditions)
So the auxillary variables x and y must be real-valued and the auxillary variable z must be negative (even though it is not specified explicitly that z must be real-valued, the < 0 forces it to be real-valued in context). The ^ means "and". The "i" is sqrt(-1) . The σ are sub-expressions that are broken out to allow the structure of the solution to be expressed more clearly; the individual meaning of the sigma variables is given in the where section.
The sigma variables are messy, and refer to each other. This is common for the solutions to a polynomial of degree 4.
sol.parameters
The names of the auxillary variables can change; I list them here
So where does this leave you?
To be honest... not really any further ahead. You are looking for a detailed description of the behaviour of system of two complex variables when the system is a multinomial with maximum degree 4. The solutions to a multinomial of degree 4 are really messy.
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Walter Roberson
el 7 de Dic. de 2020
We can proceed graphically to get an idea of how bad the solutions are.
syms X Z
eqn = X^4+Z*X^2+Z*X+50==0
That is a multinomial that is degree 4 in X, so we can solve for X to get 4 roots based upon Z. Then we can look at real() of the roots to see where they are negative. We can do that by breaking Z up into real and imaginary components, and drawing a surface. And because real(z) < 0 by requirement, we can skip plotting for positive real(z)
syms X_r X_i Z_r Z_i real
assume(X_r < 0 & Z_r < 0)
sol = (solve(eqn,X, 'maxdegree', 4));
R = (subs(real(sol),Z,Z_r + 1i*Z_i))
Messy, but for the moment we only have to plot, not make sense symbolically of the results.
zivec = linspace(-100, 100, 500);
zrvec = linspace(-20,0, 250);
[ZI, ZR] = ndgrid(zivec, zrvec); %real component < 0
figure(1);
R1fun = matlabFunction(R(1), 'vars', [Z_i, Z_r]);
R1 = R1fun(ZI, ZR);
surface(zrvec, zivec, R1, 'edgecolor', 'none'); xlabel('Z real'); ylabel('Z imag'); zlabel('X real'); title('root 1'); view(3)
Although it is not immediately obvious from the plot, all real(X) < 0 for this first root
figure(2);
R2fun = matlabFunction(R(2), 'vars', [Z_i, Z_r]);
R2 = R2fun(ZI, ZR);
surface(zrvec, zivec, R2, 'edgecolor', 'none'); xlabel('Z real'); ylabel('Z imag'); zlabel('X real'); title('root 2'); view(3)
Portions of real(X) are > 0 for this second root, but most is negative
figure(3);
R3fun = matlabFunction(R(3), 'vars', [Z_i, Z_r]);
R3 = R3fun(ZI, ZR);
surface(zrvec, zivec, R3, 'edgecolor', 'none'); xlabel('Z real'); ylabel('Z imag'); zlabel('X real'); title('root 3'); view(3)
Portions of real(x) are < 0 for this third root, but most is positive
figure(4);
R4fun = matlabFunction(R(4), 'vars', [Z_i, Z_r]);
R4 = R4fun(ZI, ZR);
surface(zrvec, zivec, R4, 'edgecolor', 'none'); xlabel('Z real'); ylabel('Z imag'); zlabel('X real'); title('root 4'); view(3)
Although it is not completely obvious from this plot, real(X) > 0 for all values for this fourth root.
So:
- when we take the first root of the multinomial of degree 4, and we restrict ourselves to Z that have real(Z) < 0, then all real(X) < 0; so for any given Z with real(Z) < 0, there is a corresponding X that solves the equation and real(x) < 0. The value of X is given by substituting Z into sol(1)
- when we take the fourth root of the multinomial of degree 4, and we restrict ourselves to Z that have real(Z) < 0, then there are no solutions for this case
- when we take the second root of the multinomial of degree 4, and we restrict ourselves to Z that have real(z) < 0, then most real(X) < 0. However, for some real(Z) > -15 or so, there are places where real(X) > 0 which is not desired.
- when we take the third root of the multinomial of degree 4, and we restrict ourselves to Z that have real(Z)<0, then most real(X)>0 . However, for some real(Z) > -15 or so, there are places where real(X) < 0 as desired
A question would then be whether you can come up with an equation that defines the boundaries of the "wings". I would say... Maybe? But it would take a bunch of study of the roots of the multinomial of degree 4 to figure out which subclause is generating the discontinuities in order to get the equations of the boundaries.
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David Hill
el 7 de Dic. de 2020
I ran this I could not find any cases where all real root parts are negative.
z=-1e6;
while sum(sign(real(roots([1 0 z z 50]))))~=-4
z=z+1;
end
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Walter Roberson
el 7 de Dic. de 2020
I do not think that is the question. I think the question is to find (x,z) such that real(x)<0 and real(z) < 0 and f(x,z) == 0
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